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From $0 to $150M ARR: Jon Robin's Journey

Strategy
December 13, 2024
Discover how Jon Robin built a sports betting app from scratch, achieving $150M ARR with market research and strategic execution.
Topics discussed in the episode:
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How to decide between building in-house or using vendors?
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Why is building an audience critical before product launch?
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How important is prior industry experience for product-market fit?
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How to manage financial risk during a product launch?
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How to leverage existing assets for customer acquisition?
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How to navigate fundraising delays and setbacks?
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What challenges come with building a regulated industry app?
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How to convince a key hire to join your startup?
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How long does it take to achieve product-market fit?
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How to build a distribution machine before launching?

How to decide between building in-house or using vendors?

[Opening]: Choosing the right development approach impacts timelines and control. [Quote]:

"There’s a decision here... that we probably didn't realize at the time... to build the platform in-house rather than using vendors."

[Takeaway]: • Building in-house gave John control but extended development time. • Vendor solutions might speed up time to market but limit flexibility. • Founders must weigh time, cost, and control when building products.

Why is building an audience critical before product launch?

[Opening]: Pre-launch audience building can lead to immediate traction. [Quote]:

"We leveraged the marketing company that I mentioned... we had a favorable commercial arrangement... we were leaning on them."

[Takeaway]: • John secured an audience through strategic agreements. • Early partnerships can provide a launchpad for growth. • Founders should consider cooperative agreements pre-launch.

How important is prior industry experience for product-market fit?

[Opening]: Deep industry knowledge can provide an unfair advantage in finding PMF. [Quote]:

"I was in the research phase for seven years... by the time we were ready to go live you had to be ready to go live."

[Takeaway]: • John's years in sports betting informed his product vision. • He built a product that resonated due to his industry insight. • Founders can leverage prior experience to better meet market needs.

How to manage financial risk during a product launch?

[Opening]: Early-stage startups must anticipate and mitigate existential risks. [Quote]:

"We had 1,500 people copy this bet... it's going to go off if this thing wins... $3 million liability... we look at a bank balance like $2 million in the bank."

[Takeaway]: • John faced a potential $3M payout that exceeded their funds. • Limit exposure by setting bet limits and monitoring risk. • Founders should prepare for worst-case scenarios in financial models.

How to leverage existing assets for customer acquisition?

[Opening]: Utilizing existing channels can accelerate early user growth. [Quote]:

"We leveraged the marketing company that I mentioned... they had an existing database... that's how we got most of the first couple of thousand customers."

[Takeaway]: • John used his prior company's resources to acquire initial users. • Strategic partnerships can provide immediate access to customers. • Founders should explore all available assets for user acquisition.

How to navigate fundraising delays and setbacks?

[Opening]: Fundraising can take longer than expected, requiring adaptability. [Quote]:

"We were trying to do a seed round... they're like, you're nine months in, you know, you're saying that you're gonna go to market in three months, but you don't have a prototype."

[Takeaway]: • John's fundraising was challenged by extended development timelines. • He raised $1.5M at a lower valuation than anticipated. • Founders should manage investor expectations and be prepared for valuation adjustments.

What challenges come with building a regulated industry app?

[Opening]: Developing an app in a regulated industry adds layers of complexity. [Quote]:

"You can't publish an app into the App store unless you have met the local requirements in that region... that license process took nine months."

[Takeaway]: • John had to secure a bookmaker's license, delaying launch. • Regulatory compliance can significantly impact timelines. • Founders should plan for legal hurdles when entering regulated markets.

How to convince a key hire to join your startup?

[Opening]: Securing a critical team member can be pivotal in building your product. [Quote]:

"He was in a well-paying job in the middle of a COVID lockdown and he was like, that's, it's a crazy time to do it... over a series of a couple of conversations, we somehow managed to get him across the line."

[Takeaway]: • John persuaded a former CTO to join by sharing a compelling vision. • Persistence and a clear mission can attract top talent. • Founders should not underestimate the power of personal outreach.

How long does it take to achieve product-market fit?

[Opening]: Understanding when you've achieved product-market fit is crucial for startup growth. [Quote]:

"I would say we truly found that about 12 months in... that this product is resonating, there is a large audience that's going to consume it and it does have the potential to turn into a real profitable business."

[Takeaway]: • John realized PMF when unit economics made sense after 12 months. • He emphasizes that PMF isn't immediate, even with early traction. • Founders should monitor customer retention and economics over time.

How to build a distribution machine before launching?

[Opening]: Building an audience before launching can be a game-changer for startup success. [Quote]:

"The reality is he'd spent seven years before that in the sports betting space and a few years building a distribution machine that meant that the second that he launched this app, there was an audience waiting for it."

[Takeaway]: • John spent years building an audience through social media and affiliate marketing. • He leveraged this existing audience when launching Dabble. • Founders can benefit from cultivating an audience early to ensure launch traction.